Would you Willingly turn someone?

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Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Grey » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:25 pm

Would you Turn someone if you had the chance?

What if they asked you to?
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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Uniform Two Six » Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:35 am

Not if it was against their will, and not if I didn't have complete trust in their judgement. If it was against their will, it would be monumentally immoral. If they were unstable and/or incompetent, it would be monumentally stupid.

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Terastas » Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:19 am

U.T.S. pretty much summed it up for me. Were I a werewolf, I would recognize that I couldn't be 100% self-sufficient and want to get a pack together as soon as possible, but I would still be very selective over who I even so much as confessed to being a werewolf, much less infect.

Honestly, I think I'd spend a lot more time and effort looking for people who are already werewolves before I consider making new ones. I mean, I couldn't be in this theoretical "would you" scenario unless somebody had already made that decision in regards to me, right? So if I've got lycanthropy, there's got to be at least that one other werewolf in the area who I got it from.

But yes, I would turn others, but only if A) the person was mentally and financially stable (mentally so they aren't tempted to go berserk or reveal themselves, financially so they aren't tempted to infect others for money), B) the person was capable of keeping secrets, and C) I had an exit strategy (IE: a way to get rid of them quickly just in case they weren't trustworthy. I'd think of passing on lycanthropy less as an infection and more as a certification that this person is now my friend, my family, and my problem for life.

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Morkulv » Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:07 am

Only if he/she asks nicely. :D
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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by JoshuaMadoc » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:39 am

NO. N-O.

What abilities I get, I keep for myself, especially ones I have enough trouble with. The world doesn't need one more potentially unstable neophyte/thrall/newling/whatever.

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Wingman » Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:29 am

Me, personally, no. I would likely never turn someone except under extreme circumstances, such as if it's that or death, or if I were absolutely sure I could trust them and that they trusted me. Even a single other person, regardless of how careful they are, is a massive risk in terms of risk of discovery. It wouldn't even take a frenzy, or witnessed transformation or similar, all it might take is the two of us talking about last night, and we can't believe we did that, and there's no way I would forget having done something like that, and someone connecting it to dead animals showing up and people reporting hooligans on the rooftop of a four-floor building and mysterious cracks in the pavement below and train drivers seeing things racing alongside in the tunnel.
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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by DWDruid » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:23 pm

If someone asked me to change them, I would first tell them EVERYTHING about being a werewolf, instincts, strengths, weaknesses, and everything else. I wan to make sure that they know what they're getting themselves into. I wouldn't sudar-coat anthing or cut any corners. They should also be mentally stable and not mind that they were completely changing themselves. The only other way is if it the only way to save their life when they're dying from unnatural causes.
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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Aki » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:47 am

I wouldn't do it to someone against their will - in addition the massive ethical issues involved (as you will massively disrupt the other's life in uncountable ways) it is exceptionally hazardous to your health to give someone: A) A reason to want to rip your guts out and B) Big sharp claws with which to do exactly that.

Now, if they asked, I would but only after, as others mentioned, quite some consideration. Makin' sure the other is mentally healthy enough for such, won't do anything harmful to me or lycanthropes as a whole, etc. Because once you do something like that, it is your responsibility. Not something done lightly.
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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Scott Gardener » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:42 pm

Strength in numbers; I'd do so for someone who wished it. Never randomly or on anyone who is not giving what we in medicine refer to as informed consent.

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Silverwulfess » Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:53 am

I would only if I had extreme faith, and it was to be my partner, maybe even after or at the stage of marriage, and would need to have the other person completely consenting.

Otherwise no, there's no telling what other people may do with it.
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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by RedEye » Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:26 pm

Talk about opening Pandora's box with a simple question... :P

That would have so many conditions to consider that by the time I'd reached a decision, we'd both probably be dead of old age.

There are a lot of reasons for, and just as many against. It would basically depend on:
How useful would this person be? How much does he/she already know about me/us?
What kind of Werewolf am I? (If I were one of the forgetful or crazy ones, the question would be moot, pretty much)
And...What advantage for the People would be gained, again assuming a rational werewolf.

Otherwise, I really can't say one way or another. ??
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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Faylin Orren » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:40 pm

Hi, I'm new here...but need to ask a question.
How do you even turn someone? Are they bitten? Or scratched?
What happens right after they are turned?

Just very curious...Faylin

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by RedEye » Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:08 pm

Turning someone, as in making them into a Werewolf (theoretically like you) is generally accomplished in the stories and movies in two ways.
Way 1: Biting them and thus transferring the whatever-it-is that causes lycanthropy to someone else. In Freeborn, it was theorized that a sort of virus was present in werewolf saliva and thus the bite would cause them to become Werewolves. :shift:
Way 2: Scratching someone and transferring the thing that way.
Both involve a measure of pain and the shedding of blood.
Way 3: This has been used in some stories and at least one graphic novel: Sex. The "virus/viroid/whatever" is transferred by intimate contact and kissing. :lovestruck:
THEN>>>
Way 4: IN the case of magical Werewolves, the "Curse" can transfer in any number of ways. One way is again blood born, see above. Another way is doing a specific magical spell in a certain way to cause you to become a Lupus-based Bimorphic Metamorph. :gandwolf:
FINALLY>>>
Way 5: No way. Werewolves are born the way they are (genetic) and cannot transfer what they are to anyone else. :family:

That's what I have for reference... :D
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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Faylin Orren » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:26 am

Thanks RedEye...I appreciate your answer. I'm writing a story and it has werewolves in it. I want it to be as realistic as possible...not 'Twilightish'...ya know?

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Terastas » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:17 am

Faylin Orren wrote:How do you even turn someone? Are they bitten? Or scratched?
As RedEye already said, it's generally presumed to be an infection passed through sharing fluids. My own personal definition is that only blood can transfer lycanthropy, but shifting causes a werewolf's gums and cuticles to bleed, therefore they have their own infected blood in their mouths and under their fingernails at the time. Either way, the effect is the same: Infection via scratches and bites.

The werewolves in my own writing, when turning someone deliberately, have a ritual (or the closest thing to a ritual that the werewolves have) where the newcomer and the werewolf sponsoring* them cut their thumbs and shake hands with each other, but most were infected unintentionally by scratching.

*"Sponsoring" in this case is a verb form of "Responsible for." The basic rule of thumb is that a werewolf may be held accountable for the actions of those s/he has infected. It basically means that if you infect someone and they snap and/or split from the pack deliberately, it's your job to either bring them in or put them down.

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by alphanubilus » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:35 pm

In my werewolfry world... you're either born a werewolf or your not. You can't become one, as it is all genetic.

If I was a werewolf and conformed to the Hollywood concept of "biting" in order for them to become a werewolf. No. I would have enough issues taking care of myself. I couldn't guarantee that my bitiee would behave in the same manor or care for the same values as I. Needless to say, I don't want to accidentally create a monster.

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by McCoy_fangirl92 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:21 am

No, I'd rather not if I was able. I wouldn't want the responsiblity of making sure they stayed out of trouble.

I wouldn't even do it for someone I was in love with unless I absoultly had to. Ex. I couldn't marry him because he's not a fellow werewolf.
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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Joey Liverwurst » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:16 am

I can't imagine turning someone against his will, but I have at least one friend who'd never forgive me if I were able and didn't turn him. Probably several, but I'd have to know them better first.

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by ladygrail » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:53 am

This is a tough question: Morally I agree with many people who have posted on the forum, that to turn someone against their will is just wrong... not that this is going to stop some people. :shift:

Then there is the issue of coming from infecting someone by accident which is a plot point in many stories. True people are turned against their will but this was not always the intent of the ww who bit them. This is the moment when the WW proves he or she is a good person (being) by taking care of the new person who is bitten or puts the bitten person out of their misery which is also a difficult moral question.

Even for those people who want to be changed into a werewolf, there are a great deal of things to consider. Right now we are speculating on what it would be like to be a werewolf. I personally have no idea what it is like to change, but must assume it will be extremely painful. The idea that you might lose all sense of who you are when in WW form, then this makes it more likely you might hurt someone you love even kill them.

Other posts I read take into account those who do want to be changed must consider mental status, health, etc. But assessing that might be very difficult for an average person to do. Then we have issues that being changed can create other mental disorders such as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or mental breaks from reality even if the person is sane to begin with. :evil:

Still the appeal is there to try, to see if you can be one of those special people who does well as a werewolf and can cope, but there is no sure way to tell. There are those who will want to try, I admit I would be one of them most likely everyone on this forum would be as well. That being said, it would be up to the werewolf to understand, discuss, and share the risks with person going to be turned. Rule of thumb, no gut quick decisions if possible. Again in stories this is not always possible if the people are on the run. But if they can, let the person see all aspects of what their new life will be like and all the dangers that go with that. Many people after watching the shift to WW form, would change the mind of several people who want to avoid pain.

If I was able to become a werewolf, I would be very picky with who I would share this secret with and even more discerning of the people I would be willing to change. The people I would choose could be counted on one hand. I think that this would be true of people who care about those in their circles. Good luck everyone. :D

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Kigai Holt » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:22 pm

Considering I were a werewolf that could have the mental ability to control myself in such a form, yes, but under quite a few conditions.

1. They need to be mentally stable, with no quarrels with others that I know of (Don't want a vengeful werewolf running around town)
2. They know every aspect of the disease, good and most certainly the bad.
3. Being a werewolf 'fits in their schedule,' meaning that they have the ability to disappear from public when needed (depending on the variety of werewolf we're talking about)

Lastly I'd do my own research on the person. Talk to family members (not directly about the burning question mind you), learn more about them, and attempt to determine if I think they're ready for it.

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Joey Liverwurst » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:26 am

Kigai Holt wrote:Lastly I'd do my own research on the person. Talk to family members (not directly about the burning question mind you), learn more about them, and attempt to determine if I think they're ready for it.
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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by blodyglass » Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:10 am

It depends if its family or someone that I love. :D

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Silvermane » Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:06 pm

Would totally depend on the person and even then I am not sure. Would also depend on the nature of being a werewolf. Is it the cursed kind like on Being Human or American Werewolf in London? Or is it more like the Howling where you have more control over yourself? Would the person be trustworthy with such power? Never can tell what lies in a person until some things happen to them so safe bet would be for me to get to know someone first, otherwise you'd risk creating a big problem I think.

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Joey Liverwurst » Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:22 pm

If it were like An American Werewolf in London, I would worry about anyone willing. As unpleasant as Being Human made it appear, at least it turned out George and Nina could get comfortable together.

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Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?

Post by Dsnake1 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:51 am

Yes, I believe that I would turn people, especially during a full moon where control was lacking. I would turn first, ask questions later. That means that I would turn people then after they find out what they are, ask them to join my pack. I know it isn't the most humane way of doing things, but the more you turn, the easier it would be to set up a community of just werewolves, a pack-town, if you will. This would be my ultimate goal, setting up a place where a large pack could live toegether. In this place, everything could be provided because of the sheer amount of people in the pack.

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